Suzanne Chadwick 0:00
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Hey, lovelies, welcome back to the podcast. Amazing to have you here. Today, I wanted to do a very special episode, as you may know, we will be running I will be running I love how I say we the royal way, I will be running magnetic mastery on the 23rd of November 2022, which is going to be a live event. And it's going to be in Melbourne, it's going to be at the prince, which is an incredible venue. And I cannot wait for this day. And so what I wanted to do today was share with you a bit about that event, what we're going to be talking about why I think it's so important. And so I have invited the other two speakers that are going to be there on the day, Amy Bell, and Hayley Maxwell to come on and share their thoughts too. I think that right now, we are so overloaded with content, we are so bombarded with everything that other people are telling us we should be doing. And I really wanted to create a special event a unique and different event. That's all about you. That's all about how you bring your magnetism to life, we're going to be talking about key messages that you want to bring into the world and how you create messages that have the impact and attract the people that you really want. Amy's going to be talking about how you can really listen to yourself, and understand how to create aligned decisions in your business. And I'm going to be really sharing with you how you shift your identity. And you create magic in a way that you've never done before. So that is what this event is going to be about. It's not just going to be us talking at you the whole time, it's going to be you coming on the day. And spending time working together with people on your table with us as speakers with others who are going to be there to support you, we're going to have talking circles, you're going to be sharing your message you're going to be sharing where you're at and what you really want to birth into this world in 2023, and how you are going to do it in a powerful way. And so you walk away from this event with an absolute understanding, feeling inspired by yourself, not by anybody else about what it is that you're going to do and how you're gonna do it. And so I knew that I wanted this event to be something that I created. I knew that I wanted to host this event. And even as I was planning it, I was like do I do it? Do I not do it? Like I've been out of events for a long time. And you know, it's definitely an investment. But I just thought I want to go to an event like this, I want to be immersed in a mastermind style event, where I am being challenged to uplevel and think bigger about what is possible for myself and my business. And I want to walk away knowing that I am ready for whatever the next level looks like for me. So that is what magnetic mastery is going to be about. And so I wanted to invite Haley and Amy on to share a little bit more about what we're going to be talking about so that you can get a really good understanding of why this is the event that you absolutely want to be at. You want to be in the room you want to be there you want to be part of the conversation. This event will be a game changer. So make sure you go and grab your tickets head to Sue's chadwick.com forward slash m m for magnetic mastery and grab your ticket today this event will sell out and then we've got the bold Christmas party afterwards. So you can grab your ticket for that there are two separate events and the year of celebrating you being with other incredible business owners and just having an amazing day. So let's dive into the conversation I had with Amy and Haley.

Let me introduce you to these two amazing ladies first, Haley Maxwell is a brand positioning and messaging coach and outcome creator and imagination generator not to mention a ferocious ice cream eater and leopard print lover with close to two decades helping large organizations and small businesses to communicate with you impact. Haley now works with talented women in business, to carve out their unique and fierce brand position, master their message and brings it all to rip roaring life with respectful copywriting that inspires action. As a speaker in the host of the fears impact podcast, Haley is on a mission to help her clients and you become memorable, meaningful and the only choice for their dream clients. I am super excited to have Haley on the podcast today. Our second speaker for magnetic mastery is Amy Bell, an NLP and Enneagram Coach and Trainer for business owners and high performers. Working with clients globally. Amy helps her clients to live a life without limits to make a meaningful and significant impact and become successful and exceptional at what they do. For close to a decade she's been in the NLP space. Having trained extensively in both Australia and Europe with some of the world's most acclaimed NLP trainers, with close to 15 years experience helping business owners health and wellness professional coaches, trainers and top performers to master the art of change and being so they can be truly exceptional at what they do. I am so looking forward to having Amy there, his session is going to support you to stop second guessing yourself. Take better quality actions make incredible decisions faster that play out magnetically and magically for you in your life. You will not want to miss this. So I just want to welcome Amy and Haley to the podcast. It's so good to have you here. Haley, how you doing?

Unknown Speaker 6:38
I'm good. Thanks. How are you?

Suzanne Chadwick 6:41
Good. Are you looking forward to coming to Melbourne? Again, I go ahead. Good. Amy. How you doing?

Amy Bell 6:51
I'm doing well. How you doing?

Suzanne Chadwick 6:53
Yeah, good, good. I'm excited to have this conversation. I wanted to have both of you on the podcast because I wanted to talk about magnetic mastery, which is obviously the event that the three of us are going to be speaking at and facilitating on the 23rd of November here in Melbourne at the prince in St. Kilda, which is an incredible venue. But one of the things that I really wanted to create was an opportunity for my community and my clients to come to an event where they're not listening to like 10 different speakers talking about their success, what they did, and what you need to do. And I really wanted this to be a transformation event where people can come and really focus on themselves, and the opportunities that they can bring to their own business as well, which I just think oh my gosh, I'm like it's such a juicy day to be a part of. And so I wanted to ask, Haley, let's start with you. What are you seeing out there, like when we talk about this transformation event, when we talk about having a room full of women who want to create their own magnetic mastery, and be magnetic to the clients that they deeply want to work with? What is it that you're seeing out there?

Unknown Speaker 8:19
The main thing through my work that I say kind of over and over again, is the struggle that so many women have around just articulating their message. And you know, working through a process in order to find that message that really resonates not just with their clients, but also that really fires them up inside that basically, you know, help them to move forwards in their business, instead of sort of sitting there in a fog of confusion and thinking to themselves, you know, what do I actually want to say? And how do I say it? And, you know, what do I actually believe in and what do I want to be known for? So really just that the struggle that I see the biggest one is that kind of lack of clarity around around their message and that kind of thing. Yeah,

Suzanne Chadwick 9:16
yeah. And it was really interesting. I was having a conversation while listening to something just yesterday, where where the markets going at the moment. We also need to be shifting and changing that message and evolving it too. And so even a message that I've had for a number of years I was recently sharing just doesn't really land anymore. And so it's digging deeper as well not into just the message of what we want to be known for and the message that we create, but also about like the evolution of that too.

Unknown Speaker 9:50
Yeah, yeah, I think that it comes down to a lot of people find it really hard to figure out what their sort of special sauce is, you know what makes them really unique? Because we kind of sit there thinking are, you know, there are so many people out there that do what I do. So it's really about actually taking the time to sort of sit down and figure out, you know, what does make me special? What unique qualities and talents and skills do I have? And how did that make the way that I approached my work different to other people who are who are in my industry, so my industry peers, and I think, when you focus on really discovering those things about yourself, that's what's going to help you to sort of stand out to your ideal clients, and not just to anyone, but to the kinds of people that you're really wanting to, to work with. And it's also about, you know, making sure that you're communicating those qualities and talents and skills that you've got, as well. So one of the things that I find people do is they kind of almost hide behind selling that service and selling what they do. And that's not what's going to help people understand why they should choose you. So what we'll help someone understand why they should choose you is you being able to articulate the way that you approach your work, you know, some of those unique qualities and traits that you bring to your work that makes you really special, and why someone should choose you over someone else. And so then it's how you bring all that together into a nice to think method that has, you know, tied up with a little Mo, is that not at all, you know, it really isn't it's a, you know, I find messaging work is deep work, it's not something that's ever done. And you know, there is that constant evolvement to it as well. But it does require sitting down and taking the time to dig deeper, if you're wanting to create a message that's going to last for you and that you're going to feel really passionate and excited to kind of share, you know that that's part of it. If you don't, if it feels really flat to you, if your message just feels quite flat, then you're not, it's not going to excite you to get out there and talk about it and share it and that sort of thing. So, yeah, that's why I'm really passionate about Yeah, talking about messaging and, you know, standing out from the crowd, and that kind of thing.

Suzanne Chadwick 12:32
Yeah, I love it. It's so good. It's one of the reasons why I asked you to be part of the event as well. Because I do think that people don't put enough time and effort and I guess passion into that message. And then they kind of wonder why they're like, man, like, here's my thing, would you like to buy it, like there's no kind of emphasis or passion or energy around it as well. So I'm excited that we're going to be spending a lot of time at magnetic mastery, I'm just going to call it mmm, because that's what the cool kids are calling it. I'm excited to spend some time at mm around and like how we're going to workshop it and I love your framework, which you're going to go through when really like sitting and working together and testing. You know, I always say that I was at that workshop, that storytelling workshop once where, you know, the guys said your message can only be honed when it's witness. And even at a recent retreat that I ran, you know, people were sort of saying, Oh, this is what I want to do. And this is what I think I'm going to say. And there were certain things where everybody just went, Oh my gosh, that's it like that message there? Do you use that? And the person was like, Well, no, not really. And everybody was just like, that's the message. And so when we kind of come together in this event, you know, it's not just crafting the message and digging deep and that sort of thing. But it's then like testing it out on the people around us and having those conversations and those, you know, kind of that little mastermind and, and circles, to be able to get other people to give us feedback on it. And I just think there aren't other events where you get to have that as well. So I'm really excited for you to take people through it and for us to evolve it and test it as well. But, Amy, I think that when you're working with high performers, which I know that you do a lot when Haley was just talking about you know, we don't dig deep. Why do you think that is because I know you're going to be talking about how we really align with the decisions that we make and how we show up and so what's that connection between digging deep and us building an aligned business?

Amy Bell 14:48
One of the things that kind of really leaping out to me about this event and also listening to Haley and your intentions for this event as well. Is about the the deep listening and And rather than having this event be about listening to people's stories of success, so we're going to tell you everything that you're not doing that you need to be doing and all of that. I think a common thread among the three of us is it's about starting to turn inward, and listening to the wisdom that's there. And so there's a lot of emphasis, especially in this the success and business and entrepreneurial circles and things like that, about listening and learning from people who have been on the journey. And that is really important. But there's so much wisdom inside of us that we're not necessarily giving airtime to as well. And that's kind of where I see this, this common thread is it's about tuning in and listening and actually recognizing how much wisdom you do have.

Suzanne Chadwick 15:50
Yeah, absolutely. I love that. And I also think, you know, even this morning, when I was doing my subscribers, you know, survey feedback kind of session. It was we talked a little bit about sitting in the unknowing as in, like, I just don't know, like, I just, I don't have the answer, I don't know. And we sit in that, you know, being helpless sometimes, when, in fact, it is about asking the right questions, and trusting ourselves and leaning into if I did know the answer, what would it be, which opens up possibilities?

Amy Bell 16:32
Yeah, absolutely. And I think also, we're trained to give a lot of weight to conscious analysis. And we can be quite heavy in the process, and really disconnected from a lot of the feedback that's there in the body to guide us in that regard, as well. And so just culturally, we put a lot of analysis, a lot of emphasis on analysis and things like that. And so if people are exploring questions, and going into their heads a lot about it, they can be really disconnected from, you know, the feedback that's there in their body about what lights them up, you know, like, what, what brings aliveness to you? And what when you explore it, do you go a little bit kind of dead inside, you know, like, and just learning to follow that, that that's wisdom in itself?

Suzanne Chadwick 17:24
Yeah, I love that, I know that you're going to be going through some of that mm as well. And so as far as like understanding a little bit more about what somebody's going to learn when they come and what we're going to kind of go through within your session as well. What what is that? And what's the background to it as well, like? Where does where does that come from? How do you know it? Like share a little bit about that? Yeah, so

Amy Bell 17:47
a lot of what I see where people struggle is paralysis by analysis, they struggle to make decisions, they struggle to make decisions that play out and play out and make decisions quickly. And people complain about feeling burnout, and just not having an energy, everything feels like a slog not getting anywhere, and all of those things. And I don't want to oversimplify it, because there can be other things going on. But all of those things, what they have in common is making decisions that are out of alignment with what you actually want to be doing in your life. And that can be incredibly powerful when people learn how to tune into that sense of what's aligned for them and what's not. And it just bypasses a lot of the conscious analysis that we have to do. And there's a whole science behind it. So I come from the NLP world, which is all about human behavior patterns in human behavior. And there's a lot of behavioral science and things that I that I draw on as well. And so I'll be taking people through some processes where they get to learn via doing stuff, which you know, I'm all about, rather than just, you know, reading about something or exploring something, conceptually, we'll be diving into and developing a process for how to do that, so that you can get to decisions very quickly, and experience a kind of like flow and energy, like sometimes people talk about, you know, I'm doing so much. And that's why I've got burnout. But often it's not the doing of those things. It's your relationship to what you're doing. And when you will, the things that you're doing are in alignment, they give you energy, they light you up, they breathe aliveness into your world. And so you don't experience burnout and that sort of thing. So we'll be going through some processes to develop that as a skill that people will just be able to draw on and get better and better at tuning in and listening to and coming from that place. Because when we don't, it's like this is the realm of self sabotage. You know, if you're making decisions that are out of alignment, things just tend to not play out so well. And if you come up against a challenge, you know, it's easier to give up or you're being pulled in multiple directions, you know, part of you want something part of you wants something else, and it doesn't tend to play out well. But when we're like, you know what it's like when you're just like 100%. Yes, about something or even like 100% like no way, that's got a really strong sense about it. And it's almost when we make decisions from that place. It's almost as if the universe if I go a bit woowoo it's almost as if the universe starts conspiring to help that make, make that happen, right, like the right people show up at the right time doors magically open. And if there is any challenges or problems, we just find a way around them. Like it's absolutely magical, when you start operating from this place.

Suzanne Chadwick 20:52
Yeah, I love that. That's so good. And I think one of the things that I was really, like, when I thought about the three of us, you know, having these sessions and facilitating it, there were there were a couple of things that came to mind. For me, number one was the energy. Because I do think we are we will do people, I have to give Becky use credit for that, because she talks about what we do. But I love it. So I'm going to use it. But it is the energy. It's kind of like with the messaging, there's the practicality of actually developing the message. But it comes from, like the heart and the gut and the like I you know, I was talking about this on a coaching call, which is, what is that thing that is so deep inside of you that if you don't support your clients to achieve whatever it is you help them to do, like you feel a bit sick about it. You know, I was saying that for me, I'm so passionate about women paying themselves because I have so many clients come to me who are moms and who have got all of these, you know, responsibilities and dreams and they work their butts off, and they burn themselves out. And they're not paying themselves. And that for me, like, like gets me right in the heart and right in the guard, where I'm just like, there, there's a way for you to not be like this like, and I can help you do that. And I feel like with the messaging, as well, as really leaning into that. And us looking at the practicality of doing it. But also leaning into that energy of what do I want to bring to the world? How do I want to be? And what impact do I want to have? Like, I feel like that's what's going to be in the room on the day. And so, Haley with the messaging, like when you're working with clients, what do you you know, what's that kind of element around the connection of the doing and the energy that you find when you're working with them that they maybe struggle with? Is it the connection? What is it? Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 22:55
I think that's a really good question. I think it's often there is, in their heads, people often think they should be saying one thing, but then inside them, they feel like they've just got this urge that they actually want to be saying or doing something slightly different or in a different way. But they're the more particularly then the more kind of formal methods that they feel like they should share, because it is maybe more professional, for example, but actually really inside them, they're this kind of desire to kind of step out of that professionalism, and not necessarily professionalism. But to step away from that kind of more corporate formal message speak, and actually really tune in to something that is, you know, really deeply inside of them. And for me, when, when I'm working with clients, you can see, you can almost see it happen, like you can see when they're talking about, oh, well, this is what I do. And this is the transformation and you know, they're like going through it, but then actually then they sort of start talking and maybe we're talking more off the cuff, for example. And all these kind of nuggets around, you know, like beautiful phrases or things you can just see them talking, you can begin to see them kind of lighting up and it's kind of like that point where you go, that's it like that, the way you are talking about this now in this more relaxed environment like that is what you need to tap into in order to create that message that's really going to light you up enough to get out there and talk about it a lot. You know, it's almost like they feel like you know, when they get up and out there they you know, that kind of formality kind of comes in. It's like there's a bit of that. I think it's a bit of that kind of corporate hanger. However, but actually, you know, when they actually just relaxed a bit more, that's when they start sort of getting more into that flow around, you know, the messages that are, you know, that are really going to work for them. So I think it's, it's about actually just almost beginning to block out some of those external influences and those external shirts. And really just sitting in that flow, you know, journaling out or writing out, you know, what comes to mind, you know, have a bit of fun with it, as well, and you know, just see what arises from it. And I think often people feel a lot of pressure around well, you know, this is what my clients say, this is the language that they use, which, you know, from a copywriting perspective, it's always really useful to bring in. So what we're talking about or what we're writing about, but that is only going to, as I said earlier, that only going to get us so far, because if it actually comes out when you're delivering it in a really flat way, then you are going to lose that connection with your ideal client anyway. So it's definitely a connection piece. But it's also going back to sort of what Amy was talking about before around that, really just trusting in yourself and your inner wisdom, and really just feeling you know, does this feel right, and then getting out there and starting to talk about it and practice it. And then it refines over time. Yeah, so I think those are kind of some of the disconnect that I see along the along the way and my journey with my clients. So

Suzanne Chadwick 26:50
yeah, I love that. That's so good. And you know, I mean, I'm going to be talking about how you bring that magnetism to your business. And one of the things we did talk about it retreat that we're going to expand on more is that box like the box that you put yourself there, because I actually think that that's exactly what you're sort of talking about, what Amy's talking about is that we have an expectation around what we should be doing, we have an expectation around what we think will sell. And we have an expectation around how we want to be seen. And I think that sometimes we live in expectation, rather than living in, like, I guess our authenticity and the truth of what it is that we want to create and bring as well. And really looking at how we harness and expand our belief in the fact that we can trust ourselves. And that we can have an aligned business and that we can make decisions where we're not stuck in the unknowing or I don't know. And also creating messages, which really, you know, fuels our whole business as well, in regards to what we say and how we say it. Because if we can align our business energetically, and really stepping into the authenticity of the message we want to create and what we're here to do, then I think that we can create that done energy that I talk about and create that aspirational desire of clients saying, I don't know what it is, but I just want to work with that person, or I don't know what it is. But that just like really lands with me like what they're talking about, I can feel it. And so, you know, with all the practicality of what we talk about the science of what you're going to talk about, Amy, the structure of what you're going to talk about Haley, and really bringing that together, I think it is a really a marriage of the practical with the energy, and US trusting ourselves to be able to do that in this space on this day as a starting point. But Amy, I'd love to ask, like when it comes to trusting ourselves. I know that, you know, you sort of talked a bit about how we were going into that alignment and listening to our bodies. But that's something that a lot of people really struggle with is trusting themselves. Why is that? And how do we? How can we like make that shift to or what are we going to talk about that's going to, I guess, touch on that? Yeah,

Amy Bell 29:13
I think there's so many things that can drive that. Because you will see now a bit of background in Enneagram, which is all about the fears and their beliefs about who we must be and who we must not be and how other people must be and how the world must be in order for us to be okay. So there's a lot of that stuff that that can influence things. And also just culturally we put a lot of analysis on thinking, you know, and just tapping into our kids brain. And a lot of people are just operating like completely disconnected from the heads down but we now know that there's neural networks in your heart and in your gut, here a whole system and I think you know, we tend to in society and culture, kind of separate them body and mind. And it's about kind of bringing these things back together because they both have value, it's good to use your head brain, but it's good to use all of your body in your decision making. And that's just a foreign concept. For most people, it's a really, really different way of doing the world. And when it's really different than it can be feel unfamiliar to do that, until people practice it a little bit. And they get that feedback of Oh my God, when I pay attention to my whole being. And and, and I know what to kind of tune into as well, then things tend to play out magically. And so once they get that feedback, this, there's no stopping them. Right. This is just why wouldn't you operate this way when it works so

Suzanne Chadwick 30:43
well? Yeah, absolutely. And I think it's just, I think it's just becoming aware of it. And then understanding how we practice it. And then looking at how we implemented in our businesses, and in our day to day lives, too. So I know that we're going to be going through a lot of that in the session. And I'm almost like, thinking on my feet, where I'm like, I think I'll do my session. And then Amy, I think you should do your session. And then Haley because I feel like you almost need to learn to feel into your body and feel into like, what's energetically aligned, so that when you go into the messaging, you're like, okay, like, does, how does this feel like, Does this feel right? Does this feel aligned for me, and we can kind of test that. And that's the great thing about these things is that, you know, on a day when we've got three speakers and facilitators, and we're kind of, you know, in that fluid, the fluidity of the of the event, we really want to listen as well, we want to listen to what, you know, people who are there need and how we can explore things a little bit more. I also think and I mean, this is kind of, you know, a little bit on the NLP side as well. But just those, we've got those behaviors that, you know, have been instilled in us for a very long time, and programmed in us for a very long time from when we were young. And it's also just really, I guess, shining a light on what do we do automatically? What do we do that is just like second nature to us? And does that still serve us? And I think that that question is such an important question to be asking as well. Now, obviously, we're not going to go be able to, like solve the world's problems in a day. But I'm excited. I know, Haley, you know, next time, but I'm excited for the conversations that are going to come out. And I'm excited for the discussions, and also the opportunity for people to kind of have the opportunity to question, what do I want? What does land and resonate for me? And how do I want to be to create this business? That I know like, I've, I've backed myself enough to start it. I've backed myself enough to like, be here. And so how do we kind of break through our own behaviors that may not be serving us to create align decisions and to create messages that light us up in such an incredible way? So I'd love to just ask as we kind of wrap up as well, Haley, what would you love? Like when people are walking away from magnetic mastery on the day? What do you want them to feel? And what do you want them to kind of walk away with?

Unknown Speaker 33:34
For me, the the biggest thing that I really want people to walk away feeling is just that greater sense of clarity. And, you know, I talked about, it's kind of like the four thieves, you know, a greater sense of clarity, the conviction that comes from clarity, and then that confidence and courage. You know, that's the process of, you know, working out what you want to be known for, what your big messages going to be, you know, the one that really fires you up, that just builds you with so much confidence that it really gives you that, that courage to move forward. And, you know, just really start putting yourself out there and becoming sort of fearfully unstoppable, you know. And so, you know, I just really want people to get to that point where they leave and they feel like they have they're on a pathway that feels with their message that feels really aligned to who they are, that feels like it 100% represents them, and that they're actually you know, feeling really excited to get out there and start testing that method with their their audience and then refining it. So going through that sort of process with them, you know, to refine what they want to be known for and start shaping up a message that feels really great to them. That's, you know, that's what I really want people to walk away with at the end. So yes,

Suzanne Chadwick 35:14
I love it. I love it. What about you, Amy,

Amy Bell 35:17
I am really looking forward to having people walk away with everything that's going to get from the two of you. I'm feeling really excited about the three of us coming together. But also to walk away with that sense of aliveness and what lights them up inside and not just give themselves permission to be doing the things that really light them up and that are right for them. But to recognize that that is what the world is calling for them to do to show up in that way. And just how magnetic that is, when you operate from that place, and how easily everything just flows. When you're when you're in that pace.

Suzanne Chadwick 35:59
Yeah, yeah, I love it. It's so good. And I just, I think for me, you know, when I think about the end of the day, I like code word. I want people who are like, My mind is blown. My heart is full. And I am ready for the next step for me, like I'm ready to take on. And I don't I don't have all the answers yet. But I have incredible questions. And I have an incredible message. And I have incredible connections that I've made here that I know are going to propel me like I want them to feel deep inside where they were just like, What the hell just happened. That was incredible. And so that's what that's my intention that I want to set for this event. And I want it to be something that people experience in a new way that just fuels what's coming for them next. And I just, I can't wait for it. So I am so excited to have both of you speaking at this event, holding the space for my incredible community. And I can't wait to have you there.

Unknown Speaker 37:11
It's gonna be amazing. Can I count on talking about I'm like, This is amazing.

Suzanne Chadwick 37:22
It's gonna be so good. And then we do have the Christmas party afterwards, which I just feel is like the perfect way to like end the day off as well, where we're gonna have this incredible day incredible connections. And then just celebrate, which I think is so important as well celebrate the year that was celebrate everything that's to come and just kind of let it let it let ourselves a little bit loose as well. We've tried out. Amy and Haley, thanks so much for coming on and talking all about this. I can't wait to see the 23rd of November. And yeah, I'm sure we'll be sharing a lot more before then too. So that is what is happening at magnetic mastery. I can't wait to share this with you make sure that you had to CS chadwick.com forward slash m m to grab your ticket there are limited seats available so make sure that you get in and get it done early. Don't wait till the last minute. You can obviously get both tickets for magnetic mastery as well as the bold business Christmas party. Whether you're flying in from international interstate or you're here in Melbourne, You are so welcome to come along. I cannot wait for this day. I know that so many new connections and relationships and so many aha moments and opportunities for you to truly step in to that next level for yourself. For 2023 and beyond is going to be realized on the day. So grab your tickets if you've got any questions send me a DM at Suzanne Chadwick. But otherwise, I will see you there. Well, that's it for another week. It has been amazing to have you here as always, and remember to follow me on all socials at Suzanne Chadwick. But thanks so much for listening. If you enjoyed this episode, then I would love you to leave a review so that others can find the podcast and come and hang out with us every week. The music to these podcasts was created by axon on SoundCloud. Until next time, have an awesome week and make sure you keep playing big and branding bold.

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